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Criminalizing Masculinity
posted by Scott on Wednesday October 17, @12:20PM
from the masculinity dept.
Masculinity frank h writes "This article is an important commentary on the destruction of maleness at the hands of feminists that comes at a critical time, when we now begin to resurrect our recognition of the value of machismo and testosterone in the towers of the WTC and the mountains of Afghanistan. An unspoken message here is that the feminists have done real damage to the military and that maybe it's time for the dismantling of the Pentagon's Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services (DACOWITS)." Thanks also to Neil Steyskal for submitting this story.

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roberts-schwartz connection
by remarksman on Wednesday October 17, @08:33PM EST (#1)
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the last paragraph of roberts' column reads: "It is ironic that American males, demonized and second-class citizens in their own society, are at work liberating Afghan women from bin Laden and the Taliban. Perhaps the American male should reconquer his home front before he shows his prowess abroad."

"reconquer" is not the word i'd use -- the idea is to break the deadlock of genderwar -- but he's right -- the fall of those towers was a marker describing the state of american masculinity, suggesting the unappetizing fact that the source of our antagonisms and problems lies inward, especially in that ur-crucible of the opposites, gender

junior bush is not authorized to identify or punish "evil" ... i don't wanna hear about bin-shit until my own house is clean

first america must end its war with itself, especially the demonization of the masculine ... only then will the nation have legitimacy to wage peace in other lands, not as an empire, but as a leader

roberts cites the important work of professor howard schwartz

schwartz'online papers are at www.sba.oakland.edu/faculty/schwartz/Papers.htm

especially worthy is schwartz' "the psychodynamics of political correctness," a realitybomb, especially by academic standards ... i'll bet his book is at least as good, tho he says the publisher is charging an outrageous amount

if schwartz tickles yer gizzard, you'll find his grounding in erich neumann, marie-louise von franz, or most anything by the mature jung
Re:roberts-schwartz connection
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Wednesday October 17, @11:30PM EST (#2)
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if schwartz tickles yer gizzard, you'll find his grounding in erich neumann, marie-louise von franz, or most anything by the mature jung

A fan of jungian psychology? Have you ever read "He" by Robert Johnson? It's a great comparison of the Fisher King myth with modern masculinity. The same author wrote similar books titled "She" and "We." He pre-dates Mr. Mars & Venus, btw, and is much more insightful.

Trousers! Trousers! Trousers!
by Uberganger on Thursday October 18, @04:59AM EST (#3)
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Hallums' unabashed manliness, however, was out of step with a feminized military. Female faculty members charged him with sexual harassment and "creating an intimidating environment." One of his offenses was that, returning from exercise, he walked through the department in a sleeveless shirt and exercise shorts. His confidence in, and display of, his masculinity was considered by female faculty members to be an offensive act.

Sorry if copying this para is illegal, or something, but it made me chuckle. It sounds like something from Victorian England, when saying 'trousers' in front of a woman was considered very rude.

Does it seem to anyone that we've forgotten how to say "No."? Stop letting manhaters call the shots. Some guy in shorts is not sexual harrassment - or any kind of harrassment (unless his dick's hanging out, I guess). As for "creating an intimidating work environment", isn't that what sexual harrassment laws do? Perhaps we should play these people at their own game. Sexual harrassment laws are sexual harrassment if you're male. The recursive nature of the argument will be especially appealing to the kind of mind that thinks up this rubbish. Demand objective standards, not subjective ones, and if you can't get them use subjectivity yourself. Don't let them set the agenda. Make the harrassment of men by subjective laws the most offensive abuse of employees rights outside of a creosote farm.

Re:Trousers! Trousers! Trousers!
by frank h on Thursday October 18, @03:00PM EST (#4)
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Good idea, Uber, but it will take litigation to make it real, and so far, no one has bellied-up to the bar with a fat wallet.
Re: nightmist
by remarksman on Thursday October 18, @06:57PM EST (#5)
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hi mist –

thanks for the tip

i have read johnson’s stuff – slim but nourishing chapbooks

the fisher (grail) king represented masculinity long before johnson picked up the thread – it has been the defining myth and conundrum for the masculine since the middle ages … the healing of the grail king and the production of the “philosopher’s stone” describe the same need in the collective masculine of the west

the king is wounded in the “thigh” as they used to say in the days of chivalry – chivalry being an artificial elevation of the feminine or material, and a phylogenetic recapitulation of mother right

it seems that our fearless leader’s been gored in the gonads, in a big old everyman kinda way, and as he writhes in agony down the centuries, chaos reigns: the opposites flee apart, his knights become impotent, the grail is left unfilled and the land turns to waste (a blessed and fruitful land turning to waste – any bells ringing out there?).

how was our hero speared? late redactions -- for example wagner’s parsifal -- suggest a necromancer, but if one traces to root, one finds that the king’s original assailant was a boar

in the ancient world the boar was sacred to the goddess, the great mother – he was often employed upon errands of wounding – his equivalent in egyptian cosmology would be set – in the old kinship village structures, he was the mother-in-law’s brother, the sinister uncle who wielded the blood knife -- boyblood, and that ain't a legend

jung and von franz discuss these matters at length, as do frazer, j.j. bachofen, robert briffault, and others – the depth psychologists, especially jung and neumann, have advanced the understanding of gender and the human project enormously, and it is their works that deserve attention instead of the agitprop currently on the college syllabi

the grail is no fable, and neither is it's king -- beside them, we are the fictions

Re: nightmist
by Nightmist (nightmist@mensactivism.org) on Thursday October 18, @10:09PM EST (#6)
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the grail is no fable, and neither is it's king -- beside them, we are the fictions

Indeed. "He," even though it is a short book, affected me deeply. I recommended it to Scott a while back, in fact. If you've ever seen the Robin Williams film "The Fisher King," and you know the history behind that story and its relevance to masculinity, the film makes much more sense, particularly Jeff Bridges' character's struggle to "become whole" again by rescuing Robin Williams' bum character.

Check out the film if you've never seen it. It's one of those movies I always felt that most people don't really understand. I also think it's more of a "guy" movie, because the majority of women I've known who've seen it understand it even less than the men do.

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