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by Anonymous User on Tuesday April 10, @12:39PM EST (#1)
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This author should watch who she calls wimps. There's nothing "wimpy" about sacrificing parts of your life to help a partner in need. But other than that, I appreciate her point that men unfairly get bashed at times for not being in the emergency room. I particularly liked her statement: "The point is not that fathers should be kept out of the delivery room if they truly want to be there, but that today society has deemed it he must be there even if the poor fellow would rather endure the Spanish Inquisition than watch his wife give birth."
Marc
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Everything in this article is true, but it has a "we've gone to hell already, so why not toss it all" tone to it that I think isn't helpful.
I was confused at the beginning of this article. Is this woman a misandrist, cheering for the feminists, or is she a staunch conservative? It was hard to tell. However, having read the whole thing I conclude that she's a staunch conservative who is disgusted with the fact that men are now so irrelevant to their families that their only "important" role is the trivial one of being present during the child's birth. She laughs at a society so screwed up that the only place it requires fathers to be is a place and time when they are of no practical use.
On the other hand, I don't see how this article takes us either forward—to a new world in which fathers are as involved in child care as mothers—or backward—to a world in which men really mattered. It seems more an admission of defeat than anything else.
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I know she is active in conservative politics, and writes for Jewish World Review as well as Town Hall (I think). I agree that the confusion from the article is that she isn't proposing any kind of positive solution - it's more of a rant.
Scott
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by Anonymous User on Tuesday April 10, @02:10PM EST (#4)
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Ads here, here's a look at her cols over at jewishworldreview.com:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/hart080100.asp
Attention feminists: How to really keep our daughters safe
From the Above article:
"I feel strongly about "keeping our daughters safe." That's why I will continue to teach my son that he has a special duty to physically protect his younger sisters, and girls in general. I want to raise him to be a man who profoundly respects women, who will gladly compete with them head to head professionally and not whine when he gets beaten; but who could not imagine standing by and doing nothing if he saw a group of them being assaulted by some hooligans in Central Park."
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/hart052500.asp
"STOP WHINING, GET BACK INTO THE GAME, AND DO YOUR BEST!"
From the Above article:
"In my children's soccer class there is a little boy of about six who is one of the biggest kids in the group. But he is constantly dissolving into tears and going to his mother or father at what he thinks is the slightest injustice rendered him. Inevitably the parents coddle him and cater to his outbursts. But this kid is going to face much bigger hurdles in life than another child bumping into him here and there. So really, the biggest favor his parents could do for him would be to say "stop whining, get back into the game, and do your best."
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/hart120399.asp
On the mommy track
"Maybe leaving the chaos of children and the demands of the home to experience the chaos of the office and the demands of a high-powered career isn't such a great trade-off after all"
What do you people think of this now?
Adam H
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Well, this is exactly the problem, isn't it?
It's all well and good to be a conservative and wish for the days of old when men were men and women were women, but the gender wars have erupted to their current heated state precisely because one can't expect men to live by the old rules while women ignore them.
As an example, I have been asking myself the unthinkable lately: if I'm supposed to work cheerfully alongside women at the office, if I'm supposed to treat them as equals at work, then why on earth when I see a woman being mugged in the park should I run over and try to save her ass? If "she" no longer needs me to be "her" provider... and enjoys rubbing my nose in that fact... then why am I still bound to be her protector? The conservative view is all very well... in a vacuum.
My mother brought me up with exactly the same set of values that this woman is teaching her son. I think that this woman is in for a rude surprise when her son discovers that for all of this gallant and tolerant behaviour there is no forthcoming reward.
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by Anonymous User on Wednesday April 11, @01:11PM EST (#6)
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Yes, you're spot on as always Buster :)
Say Buster, judging from your comments would I be right to assume that you're trying to break free from your Mother's conditioning?
Adam H
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Hey, it says what it says. She wants to be a mother, and wants her husband to be a father, and thinks that those two activities are and should be different. If a man wants to be in the delivery room, fine, but it isn't part of being a father...or even a husband, for that matter.
I think that her comments are a bit tongue in cheek, for after all, she's never delivered alone. Her point is that this is the only place where a father has a unique role, and the absence of any other unique role for men in marriage and families is what she's really writing about. Maybe if society were to see men as protectors and providers for families, we'd expect to see the man spending his time doing that (such as when a professional golfer plays golf) rather than hanging around in a hospital where he may just be in the way.
Tom Campbell
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